THE PVP DEBATE IS A BIG ONE BUT MABYE A 50/50 COMPROMISE ISN'T BEST FOR SotA. I placed this in general discussion not the PvP threads for a reason. When the time comes SotA may need to take the risk of making a real and binding decision. I hate to say this because there are a lot of role players that just want nothing to do with PvP, but are they really role players for SotA then? Perhapse the role players who want no PvP should still have to expect some PvP in Shroud especially if they venture into the few "dangerous areas". If you want to be a role player (IN SHROUD) you have to accept the fact that there will be a few dangerous areas where PvP will always exist for you no matter if you are not perminatnly flagged for PvP or not. For the true adventurer that wants to experience "the real world" at all times they should be allowed to have PvP anywhere so they must always be on guard. I believe Portalarium has to make the "right" decision and determine what the reality of the World of New Britania is going to be. Let the "reality" be Open PvP, and let others who want nothing more than to play with friends use their imagination. Upon flagging for PvP let it be difficult to switch back from PvP to non-pvp as well. ***disable all player block filters upon entering PvP mode*** I belive the right decision is to have even the Frends&Single Player Online guys to be notified upon entering any of these few dangerous areas that they will immediately be temporarily flagged for OPO PvP upon entering that danger zone, and only while they are in that area. PERIOD. It's like going to the ghetto in the middle of the night. Expect danger. I believe that SotA is going to have to make a tough decision regarding PvP and I truly believe they should err on the side of Open PvP regardless of the cries, at least for certain areas. Devs TAKE THE RISK. For newbies there should be a detailed description of the type of danger if they attempt to enter one of these areas. Nobody should feel entitled to be safe all the time. That's not role playing it's trying to play your own game. There is an offline mode for that, or you can stay away from the bad neighborhoods like we do in real life. I hope that makes sense, because New Britania has to be one world. EDIT from later post: I think it translates into SotA greatness if they take the risk. You can still play without opening up to PvP, but to reach every location you have to be open to the risk. I think the terms PvP and non-pvp should disapear tottally. The PvP flag should be labled advanced mode or high risk mode or something like that to change the way it is percieved. PvP and non-PvP already brings with it years of history and different definitions to everybody. I think when they are ready the devs should define an SotA's interplayer risk modes with their own term and their own definition so we all know what we are talking about. PvP and non-PvP have too many different definitions. And in the definition it would even sound better if they say one mode has player vs player interactions they should spell it out because even the abriviations have too much history. *EDIT* RE-EVALUATING MY STANCE BASED ON FEEDBACK: Yet this appears it is such a touchy subject I may have to reevaluate my stance that SotA be truly neutral allowing everybody to choose their own destiny and be able to play the full world without PvP entirely. My concern is that the PvP would be made up of only player vs player combatants rather than a mix of roleplay and PvP. I feel like throwing out ideas whenever possible, but I'm also willing to be persuaded otherwise. If my idea isn't good for SotA then I hope it isn't used, and sorry for wasting any body's time. My hope was to stretch peoples comfort zones into take the risk, but I don't want to force people to do something that they are totally opposed to. I see the logic that some of the other people like Owain is using in his argument. If there was still a possibility to stretch the comfort zones without making people feel forced into PvP I would be for it, but I'm going to formally retract my words asking for PvP only zones for the sake that others have persuaded me that it may be a bad idea.