There is no Pk in SotA, only Consentual Virtuous/Antivirtuous

well I know what you are talking about and that is a rare case and it did get handled. It is hardly textbook for behavior though. What you described is indeed griefing, not necessarily what I was referring to though. I asking about what you thought PVP griefing is in your opinion.

 

well I know what you are talking about and that is a rare case and it did get handled. It is hardly textbook for behavior though. What you described is indeed griefing, not necessarily what I was referring to though. I asking about what you thought PVP griefing is in your opinion.[/quote]

Not actually rare, still going on daily with many people on the receiving end. Simply attacking people isn't griefing, its just pk'ing.. . which is part of the game and not wrong in any way.

 

hey what is with the quote button lately lol

 

Ya I had to go back and fix some of mine lol

 

Means PvE-folk should not attend and support pre-release PvP events but I think PvPers have great Ideas too and want them to show at their events ( and their towns even they are PvP). I don't get why its so hard for some to respect the hard work on events, spending time and gold to have a good time with others in game, showing via stream whats already possible in SotA atm ( ok, you show it this or even the other way).
Pre release means for me to help all players which come up with nice Ideas for the game and want to show it to other players. Those events making lots of players not only log in for hat-quest and wait for next release, are a chance for the community to grow until game goes live.

 

What a funny thread for one with the shadowlords on his crest... hm.

 

Some reactions here are rather strange.
Let me point something out: in my opinion PKs can only exist if there is non-consensual pvp.
This dosen't exist in SotA. So PKs don't exist either.
Sure, you can get killed in PvP. But that dosen't make the person that kills you a PK.

 

But we use this word ongoing in the forum. And i think it is wrong.
Even on Wiki PK
I am happy that the developers did make a difference between Lot Restriction on a PvP Zone compared to somewhere else.

This was a very nice move showing them they understand the difference between protecting the community against PK ( the word that stands for all what is negative it seems about a playing style) but still leaves room for "Roleplayers".
I would for example have attacked maybe a Event in a PvP Zone but in a roleplayer manner. After the first time i would have get killed. I would have been done.
I was defeated and i would have never interrupted that event again.

I would have made it a fun interruption. They way i would have talked and presented my invasion would have been indicating for the Event Organisers very fast that it is a Roleplaying , non harrassing interruption.

After a interrupted battle, maybe 10 minutes we would have left and let the Event go on. It would have been a further "Event" enriching the "Event" we interrupt.

Would we have been PK?. No.

 

Equally strange that people want to kill other players and not be considered player killers *shrug*

 

That's why it is called pvp.
You don't cuddle each other to death there.

 

There is open pvp areas, areas which attract non pvp gatherers and event spectators, if you kill those people you are a pk'er. Nothing wrong with that as i have said multiple times but it is what it is, don't kid yourself.

 

Well this wonderful article on the paxlair.com site.

Read it and you understand why PK is just not a word anymore.
So your Shrug is inappropriate for me.


http://www.paxlair.com/library_files/1_in_progress/player_killers_exposed/player_killers_exposed.htm

As a PK you are someone who destroys the Fun of others. That is what the word truly stands for.

Sad that this is how it is. But i hope you understand my point.

 

Feel free to hire the Drakenhof Templars to keep you safe and sound ;-) sorry, couldn't resist.
Yes, a pvp zone exposes anybody to the hazard of loosing their life.
And yes, if you bust an event like that you are a pk. I am willing to agree on that.
But that's what guards are there for.

 

Nope. They are not a PK. They are PvP Players.

Period.

 

PK'er just means player killer, what you are describing is a griefer which is something else entirely. PK'ers are just people playing an indiscriminate killer. I am not sure how that offends anybody since most pk'ers refer to themselves as pk'ers. Some games i play a pk'er, just not this one since i want to adhere to the virtue system.

 

Gaelis, I do feel your sentiment, I do. But how can you honostly blame anyone who is PvP flagged for attacking others who are PvP flagged. Yes the etiquette is bad, but the premise is sound. Who ever is foolish enough to build a house on sand knows it will be washed away. The PvP flagg should not succumb to arbitrary rules of some people. Its a slippery slope after that in which everyone will cry foul at the slightest pain.

 

Well we just will disagree in that.

I do not wan't to be associated with a PK.

I learned that it associated to someone who purposly destroys fun by a non ignorable percentage of gamers.

If the oracle would tag me PK instead of PvP i would not ask the oracle to do it.

I hope you get my point now Themo?




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It's sad when people simply take terms and start to associate something with the word which was not part of the original definition. Same thing happened to the term 'Hacker'. Each time I read about somebody being 'hacked' by what really was a script kiddie and NOT a hacker, or even worse yet, by having shared their passwords, I cringe.

 

Yes i understand what you are saying, what i don't understand is why the two terms "pk'er" and "griefer" seem to suddenly mean the same thing to some people when they have had separate meanings since the eighties. I support pvp and pk'ing, yet i despise griefing.