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Naming and Cheating/Exploiting Policy Update

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Berek, Aug 18, 2016.

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  1. Ravicus Domdred

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    I just want to agree with you and give you hugs. Why do you hate me so much?
     
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    @Lord Barugon.. famous Gamera will like that...
    @Black Tortoise... racist what about the green ones...

    searching through the forums now.. this is fun. ;)
     
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    He sus, take me now...this is supposed to be a fun game...every new random bit of rule creep just kills the spirit of the game for me a little bit and regret the $ I have contributed.

    Brickbat
     
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    Just a small note here for the gallery.
    All of this except for the name!=staff thingie was already in the EULA/ToS that you have all agreed to numerous times by clicking that check box.
    So there is no policy change per se, nor any further rules set (except the staff names thingie).

    So what you are seeing in the OP is more of a clarification of the existing EULA/ToS.

    Hehe, it is almost ;):p:eek: as if no one actually reads the EULA/ToS, hehe...

    - - - - - - -

    The changes in the player marketplace though, that is real changes towards more draconian enforcement, this thing about names or exploits - not so much.
     
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    • Religious ideologies
    • Famous persons
    Funny... this game is loaded with religious symbolic imagery and Allusions. Lest not forget, there is but only but One Religion - One Truth; All other are distractions at best and pure forgeries in reality. Just because you believe in a set of Idea's it doesnt make it truth. But if your worried someone might name there toon Muhammad or Karl Marx, James Mayer de Rothschild, ect then I understand your plight... Lets not offend any one group of people, right? But putting a blanket bann on Names like Barnabas for example, Simon Peter, Names you can find in scriptures as well throughout History is in vain in my humble opinion. In contrast If Names that are made that run towards the satanic side of ideologies should receive the same scrutiny.

    And as far as famous people, rolls eyes @ that one as well. does one letter make a difference, how about two... If I spell John Lock/ J0hn L0ck like this or like this does it matter.. in fact Most wont even tell the difference, but it is different. and by what measuring stick does one judge famous? If I see someone wearing my real life name[ in game ] can I call them on it, no I cant, why because people get names from the past all the time.. And my name is famous in its own right, but because an authority doesn't recognize it, does that make it less true?

    However, I do agree with you about names that have a divisive nature. such as: “IHateYou”.
     
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    I would ban Iloveyou as well, as that triggers me! Maybe we should just use a random name generator. My new name is GHIUT68t.
     
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    What about if someone wanted to run a church group in game?
     
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    While for non-game world reasons I think that offensive names should not be allowed, for game reasons not all of these make sense, especially famous people.

    We are outlanders. The guards in Eastmarch remind me of this every day, over and over, every time they pass by me in my house (which really is quite rude if you ask me). So in the spirit of the game I am sitting at my computer, unlock the mysteries of the land, open my eyes and arrive. I have studied a lot of the clues and whatever I could find in the "dark parts of the web". When I meet that first person (like the beginning quest guard) most likely I am going to have to use a name for myself and it is unlikely to be my real name, because I don't know if there are other outlanders, if they can go back and forth, if anything I do here effects my world back home, or my family back home.

    So I have to come up with name for myself. And why not Barack Obama. Or Axl Rose. Or Rasputin. Or Elminster. Or Tasslehoff Burrfoot.

    Those are the names that come to mind stream of consciousness when I think of names. And my guess is that the locals would not even blink at them any more than if I introduced myself as Rathgar Lorthwallow (wow, am I bad at just making up random names or what).

    Not to mention that if your real name were John Smith, you might want to change it so that Theo of Owlshead does not think you are trying to move in on his business.
     
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    I dunno I did a name generator one day for a new gnome necro. Game gave me Fatdikinu. What the hell kept it. Then I got reported for using a name they gave me. Was great for a couple of weeks!


    Or all the casters with last name Majere. Although, I still chuckle on this one druid bear tank in WoW. His name was Bearack Obama.
     
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    If someone don't knows Dee Snider, then he/she is to young to play SotA :D

    Thumbs Up for the Naming Rules

    ... oh, and for the Anti-Cheating also of course.
     
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    Im pretty hardline against exploiting cheating etc. But this is a sandbox game, and who really cares about the naming unless its extreamly offensive.

    If I want to run arround as lord, lord or Donald Trump am I hurting the expierence for anyone else?

    Im pretty sure, if I do pick lord, lord people could add me to thier individual ban lists and never have to see me in the game.

    All this seams a bit silly to me.
     
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    His wife has a character in the game, or at least an NPC. But it is Arabella, not Lady Britishh.

    I did see someone else trying to impersonate a dev I believe named Dev Lum.
     
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    Seems to me that the naming rules are less cracking down right now and more CYA.
     
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    You mistake me for a common animal, and not a warrior-deamon turned demigod. As a follower of Sun Tzu, I am quite delighted that my foes make such mistakes quite often. Being an immortal, I view the human concept of race and ethnicity as a primitive ignorance which merely arises from the infantile species' need for belonging to discrete social groups, and affirmation of identities which differ from others. You creatures seem to always forget you lost 99% of your biodiversity in an environmental cataclysm about 65,000 years ago. Then again, you creatures seem to forget many things as it conveniences you. What you believe to be races are merely momentary incidences combined with your need to identify with that which is familiar, and time will show you that race does not exist (that is, if you dont kill yourselves first). All of your "races" may choose to follow the primordial Way, or position themselves at the end of my pike >:-].

    And as for the green ones, theyre in my soup :cool:. Those so called "ninja" turtles are next, along with their rat sensei. My belly is seemingly boundless, though I assure you my appetite has been tamed by higher powers. /cacklinglaugh

    Without free and open PVP, yes ;)
     
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    As always, we reserve the right to make exceptions based on the big picture of the situation at the time. These are general guidelines. If you have any questions or concerns about your name, just let us know.
     
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    This policy may want to be revisited- I know it is a general CYA, but I don't see how it will be enforceable.

    The most important rule for the community to follow is DBAD.

    According to the story, we are actually supposed to be playing the game with our real names. However, the game does not support multiple people playing with the same name. I'm also aware that very few people use their real name in-game. Since the spirit of the game is a fantasy game, many people have included a fantasy element to their in-game names.

    This is my take on names and is actually directly related to REAL NAMES:

    Advertisements: I know thousands of people that have advertisements for names - think of anyone and everyone that you know that has a DBA. Not to mention the kids that are actually named after products: Google, Facebook, Coke, Pepsi, etc. - and yes, those are all real kids names. http://fusion.net/story/120110/a-list-of-innocent-babies-named-after-corporations-and-products/
    Religious: I know a few hundred people that are named Jesus. This is parents intentionally expressing their religious ideologies.
    Famous names: how are you defining famous? And is that famous name actually unique? What if I name my character after Genghis Khan - he's famous...and as another poster submitted, what about fictional famous characters - aka Lazarus Long? :)
    Pornographic/Sexual references: Again - real people names: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
    Racial Slurs: culturally related - what is permissible in one culture is not permissible in another.
    Illegal activities: wouldn't that depend on location? I know this is directed towards mostly people that want everyone to know their connection to smoking pot - which is illegal in Texas, yet legal in numerous other statess. I know of a few people that were named Mary Juana.
    Threats and real world violence - umm...I can't think of an example of this.
    Pledge titles - I have known and worked with people with honorifics as their first name. In game, we have titles that are displayed above the character name in game.

    What if I name my forum name/account/character is named after one of the following situations?
    That would all fit within the spirit of the game world. This reminds me of Facebook's "Real Name" policy, which is a clusterF.
     
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    So no Tommy Hilfiger? What if my name is real life is the same as a famous person? I'm sure there is more than one George Bush in the world.
     
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    So perhaps people's real names would not make the filter. Nobody is requiring that people use their real names. What is not permissible in one culture is permissible in another... I think Berek has made it fairly clear what IS permissible in THIS culture (SotA). If your name is really just a string of curse-words, don't use your real name as your character name.

    The rules we have in my workplace can be enforced when that person is not using common sense, not against everyone who puts their toe over the line but IS using common sense.

    There may be grey areas for the rules, but I think Berek and team are able to navigate those grey areas and refine them over time. Perhaps historical figures like Ghengis is permitted, but perhaps calling yourself Donald Trump would not be. Sometimes you have a Rule so that it can be referenced when the person it is being enforced against is just lacking in common sense or is a repeat offender.

    You do not need to get into all the clauses and sub-clauses and possible hitches or loop-holes in rules - just use common sense and try and stay inside the rules requested of you by the boss.
     
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