SotA Dressing now to shy.

Agreed. It's not a gender thing. For anyone who's watched 300, Spartacus, Gladiator, etc.

Or I should say, as long as they're using western models. With eastern / anime looking characters, you just don't see men dressed like this much because the models are so waif like. Basically everyone looks like an elf.

 

I think i found nice fitting shoes ( may remind you of famous UO shoes) that fit to the archery dress:

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Nice combo?



I realy hope for those sandals , or something like this. Currently we are all stuck with boots.

 

I would not be opposed at all to a ton of new outfits appearing in game and/or in the pledge shop. I think it would be great because variety and expression are good things to have.

The ideas in this thread are pretty good and I hope at least some of them happen!

 

The picture you posted, that is a Hollywood rendition of making actors look appealing. Look at the movie "300" - so unrealistic. Utterly.



"Did the Spartans really fight with virtually no body armor?"

"No. The movie 300 has the Spartan soldiers fighting nearly naked without any form of body armor protecting them. Body armor was a valuable asset to the real Spartan soldiers. 300 author Frank Miller commented on this alteration in an Entertainment Weekly interview, "I took those chest plates and leather skirts off of them for a reason. I wanted these guys to move and I wanted 'em to look good. ... Spartans, in full regalia, were almost indistinguishable except at a very close angle."

I know SotA is a fantasy game, and it can go the route of Hollywood. But when it comes to armor, I'd rather have realism. If a person/mage is going to have magical armor, maybe that's a different story.

 

I want to know why guys are expressing how they want women dressed in the game.

I mean, why don't you all focus on male clothing if you're male?

If you have a female character, and you're a male, I'm sorry but that doesn't count to me.

 

Caliya Asked;

"Did the Spartans really fight with virtually no body armor?"
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"Yep, they did"...

"It's really hot in real battle". But it's also difficult to move large armies any distance without some baby cream between those tight places where the sun don't shine. So to wear "sparse" clothing as well as armor was vital to successful combat back then... because baby powder and cream were not yet invented.
~Time Lord~

 

I get what you mean. And I sympathize to a point, but everyone here, regardless of gender, is allowed to express their opinion if they stay on topic. It may not count to you. But it could be very important to them.

 

Always this gender crap.

Example me.

Hetero male happy married family father who loves fashion.
I have no problem to talk a week with females , males, gays , old people, kids about the styling of a shirt.
Or if the table looks cooler in the left corner


Alot of male love to design female fashion.
Totaly normal.

I will tailor ingame and guess what. I will have a shop that sells clothing.
Female and male.
Ardoris feels suitable.

I made crazy nice combos and had alot of fun on it in UO and other games.

But still i do PvP , adventure, sword and everything else.

I find it annoying to say males should not talk about female clothing.

Most fashion is done through males also in reality.


Currently the male clothing is fine.



I find the boots for male and female not very good for my taste.

Mage clothing is missing. The good old wizard hat.


What i found out is that the unity asset store does not provide alot of variety on clothing.
( medieval).
Compared to environment packs.

Forcing the developers alot of own work and manpower.
I asume making cloathing is more hardcore then a house.

 

"Fashion is a Statement We Make... A State of Mind That Transcends What is Common into the Human Spirit's Desire for Excellence"

Just Remember the name brand "Myrcello" and don't forget to visit my shop which will be right next door "Time Lord's Traveler's Time Shop"
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~Time Lord~

 

Btw. @caliya.

I love the profile picture you have.
I respect your opinions alot and i am happy you are participating.

I in no way want a game you would not enjoy anymore.

 

Yes, just as burkas are dictated by men, scantily dressed women are dictated by male designers.

I'm saying, women stand up for yourselves and stop letting men dictate how you dress.

Yes, men have a right to their opinion. And they have a right to express it. But if it causes women to be disillusioned with clothing/armor choices, their voices should be counted the most.

I wouldn't want to dictate male fashion. Would you want women telling you how you should dress, and being the final say in it?

 

Where did anyone say males should not talk about it?

 

I would love women giving suggestions and having a nice talk.
Nothing else is happening in this thread the hole time. No one is forcing nothing in this thread.


And Women did already stand up, and also not always male who are the bad ones asking for sexy clothing.

I let history talk for itself:



Growing awareness of feminism also paved the way for a different fashion for women. The 1960s saw a dramatic increase in women attending universities and entering the workforce, especially with the advent of the “temp agency” which allowed greater flexibility in when and where a woman wanted to work. This decade also saw laws passed that helped protect and empower both married and divorced women. The image of a woman was beginning to dramatically shift from being a wife and mother to a young, single, carefree girl proud of her sexuality and confident with her power. The miniskirt would express, and serve as a tool for, this growing woman’s movement.
The young generation was indeed growing up rebellious and articulate, and with more money than they’ve ever had before. Young people suddenly became a powerful class of consumers who demanded a fashion that matched the spirit of youth. Consequently, the whole structure of the fashion system was challenged from the youth in the streets as the prestige of “couture” came under attack or, worse, seemed irrelevant. Upstart designers and boutiques began to cater to a new youth market that could now buy what they wanted and to older women who began to scramble to look like their daughters.

“The Mother of the Miniskirt” : Mary Quant




When a young upstart British designer named Mary Quant opened her boutique Bazaar in 1955 on King’s Road (a mod and rocker hangout), she was poised to spearhead a fashion revolution. Without any real training in fashion, but with a finger on the pulse of everyday fashion of the street, she represented a distinctive breakaway in fashion. She began to sell clothes that reflected the ideas of the day’s youth and that had nothing to do with established Paris fashion houses. When she raised the hemline of her skirts in 1965 to several inches above the knee, the iconic miniskirt was born. Named after her favorite car, the Mini, the miniskirt was an instant success and epitomized the spirit of London in the mid-60s: free, energetic, youthful, revolutionary, and unconventional.





“The Lord of the Miniskirt” : André Courrèges

Quant probably deserves primary but not exclusive credit for the miniskirt. One French designer also caught the spirit of the era and did for France what Quant did for England (and America), André Courrèges. Though he began to experiment with hemlines as early as 1961, Courrèges showcased his futuristic, space-age minimalistic dresses which scandalously fell above the knee in late 1964. Like Quant, Courrèges shocked the fashion world. Unlike Quant, he tended to design his skirts with more sophistication and maturity, which, in turn, helped make the miniskirt acceptable to French haute couture.


While Courrèges would later claim that he invented the miniskirt, Quant dismissed his claim, saying “It wasn’t me or Courrèges who invented the miniskirt anyway—it was the girls in the street who did it.” Though the debates between Quant and Courrèges can be amusing and many scholars tend to “skirt” the issue, both Quant and Courrèges appropriated the trends of earlier fashion houses and both took advantage of the greater social changes that were occurring around them. Regardless of who really “invented” the miniskirt, both Quant and Courrèges deserve credit for revolutionizing and enriching the fashion world with their daring hemlines. Quant’s influential position in the heart of “Swinging London,” Courrèges’ influential position in the more sophisticated Parisian fashion world, and the mini’s easily washable fabric that busy teenage girls were apt to buy helped the miniskirt become a major international trend.


The “Lolita Look”
Ironically, the full sexuality of the miniskirt during the 1960s also played on a “school-girl” image, and London became recognized as catering almost exclusively to young girls between the ages of 15 and 20. The models on all the popular catwalks and fashion magazines were typically skinny and androgynous, with an almost prepubescent figure. The “Lolita look” was everywhere, and the fashionable woman of the 1950s, was replaced by a London girl with a childish shape and a “great deal of long legs”.


The most famous model of the era was seventeen-year-old Twiggy (Leslie Hornby), who had a short boyish hairstyle, pale lips, and skinny figure (she was 5′ 7″ and weighed 99 pounds). Even though the miniskirt initially was an expression of individuality, women and girls alike copied Twiggy’s Vidal Sassoon geometric bob and her heavily mascaraed eyelashes in an attempt to achieve her “doe-eyed” little girl look. When young girls mimicked Twiggy’s fashionably gawky “broken limb” look, they were said to resemble little shop dolls or mannequins. Not surprising, dieting fads and eating disorders skyrocketed during this decade.


Decline of the mini in the late 1960s
The miniskirt of the “swinging 60s” lasted until the end of the decade. Throughout, fashion designers created some new and extreme variations in order to keep the excitement alive. For example, Paco Rabanne launched his plastic chain-mail miniskirt in 1966 and then the throw-away minidress. Despite this creativity, the mini eventually fell out of fashion when disillusionment about Vietnam became more widespread and the future looked less positive.

With increasingly political despondency, fashion became a little more nostalgic and hemlines fell back down to the ankle in 1969 in a style called the “maxi,” which was the longest hemline since 1914. In addition, while the miniskirt initially was seen as liberating women, the development of terms such as “dolly birds” tended to objectify women, and feminists realized that the miniskirt had great potential to be more exploitive than liberating. With the feminist movement in full swing by the early 1970s, minis (whose hemlines had nowhere to go but down, anyway) fell into disfavor.

The late 1970s punk revival of the mini

While the miniskirt fell out of fashion in the early 1970s, the punk movement at the end of the decade helped revive the miniskirt, thanks in part to female rock stars such as Debbie Harry (Blondie) who were fond of wearing miniskirts on stage. The punks were motivated by anti-fashion and tried to avoid mainstream trends, which were considered bourgeois, bland, and over-indulgent.

Influenced by punk designers such as Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren, whose shop SEX sold the fashion, the mini was reincarnated in black leather and PVC. The mini was also now often worn with ripped fishnet tights and took on a slightly “trashy” overtone that reflected the “whatever” attitude. In an ironic twist of fashion, once the punk look was picked up by designers, the punk movement’s anti-establishment edge became mainstream itself.
1980s and 1990s: the “corporate miniskirt”

The 1980s and early 1990s heralded a return to a more womanly figure in contrast to the adolescent androgyny of the 1960s. Rather than disappearing, however, the miniskirt was incorporated into the new, big-shouldered, “power” business suit for women, either in traditional pinstripes or jewel-colored wools. Popular characters in TV sitcoms such as Carrie in Sex in the City helped the miniskirt appear sexy, and smart. Miniskirts were no longer considered appropriate only for teenagers, but they also became a power statement for sophisticated, long-legged, thirty-something career women who were in total control of their single life.

For the most part, the miniskirt has been accepted in the Western world; however, not all countries and cultures embraced the short skirt. Inmany African countries, the miniskirt was seen not only as a corrupting influence of the West but alsoof the modern world.

Twenty-first century miniskirts
While the miniskirt has been met with disapproval and even violence, the tiny skirt shows no signs of disappearing. On the contrary, the miniskirt is still heavily featured on Western catwalks and in fashion magazines, and it is often shorter than ever. The phone company Samsung even introduced a new cell phone in 2008 called the “Miniskirt Season 2” which, while looking nothing like a miniskirt, is targeted toward women who like to “Talk, Play, Love”. The miniskirt, variously known as the “micro-mini,” “pelmet,” or “bondage” skirt, continues to occupy a fascinating and paradoxical space in the fashion world as it teasingly attempts to cover and reveal at the same time. In all of its contradictions and reinventions, the miniskirt still provokes, challenges, and demands attention from both men and women alike.


Source: https://de.yahoo.com/?fr=mkg031

 

We also need some Conan & Red Sonja style barbarian rags.

Protective? Um, I don't know about that - hope you enchanted it!

 

DancingShade Said;

We also need some Conan & Red Sonja style barbarian rags.

Protective? Um, I don't know about that - hope you enchanted it!
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~TL~
A very good thought indeed!
If we are to wear the same armor as everyone else, then it becomes a very drab scene. Fashion can do for our game world, what sexy seems to do for all commercial advertisement "about everything" in our real world.
Kudos DancingShade... "Kudos Indeed!"
+1 For "Lucky Clothing Enchantment"
(not to be combined when wearing actual heavy armor)
Mages and take a thought in such and thing.... and by all means "like it"
~Time Lord~

 

Caliya, I think you will find a lot of guys do dress in ways they hope will impress females. And females will tell guys what they like about the way they dress... so it does go both ways I think.

The exception is of course in regimes where men/women are forced to dress in a specific way. I think everyone should have the right to wear what they like

 

The miniskirt was more a statement about sexual repression than anything else. Women used to be pretty much forced to have every surface of their bodies covered, except their hands and face. Even ankles were once forbidden.

When I went to public school, girls were required to wear dresses, even when it was below zero and 5 feet of snow on the ground. When I was in high school (a very small town), pants were still forbidden. So I wore pants to school and knew it would happen, I got suspended from school. But you know what? They changed the dress code the following fall.

Standing up for our rights is what clothing has been about. At least for me.

Women, throughout history, have been repressed. There is no denying this fact.

 

He had,
Dumps like a truck, truck, truck.
Thighs like what, what, what.
All night long....
Let me seeeee that,
Codpiece.

 

And yet you choose to remain in the fine state of Indiana. By choice. (Kidding, Indiana is a fine place, I'm sure)
Its really hard not to be aggressive or defensive in response to your comments but you are acting slightly inflammatory. Saying that men's opinions don't matter (even if it's just for something as innocuous as women's clothing in Shroud) is offensive.
Opression comes in multiple forms.
I'll leave gender politics and the LBGTQ transgressions out of this thread, just keep in mind not only women wear women's clothing and there are plenty of men who care more about their virtual (female) characters than their own lives. Lets not diminish our fellow players, even if we don't agree with their playstyles.
There's a divide we all must walk along to see the bigger picture. Isnt it a little unreasonable to expect all clothing for women in a fantasy world (video game) to be designed by women? Are women equally not allowed to design anything for males?
(BTW too late for both of these for Shroud).
I can almost guarantee clothing designed by Amber Raine is going to be different from yours. If its more revealing, does that make her an oppressor?
Let's have a discussion without the preconceived notions that we're all here to take something from someone else. That's the O'pvp forums =-O

 

I didn't want to have to point this out but it seems there are a lot of men in this thread with a lot of strong opinions about what sort of things I (and Caliya) should have available to wear in game. And they are awfully defensive about those opinions too.